# Spike: `ai-agents` (declarative YAML) vs. hand-wired `rig-core` ## What this proves - `ai-agents` (crates.io `ai-agents` v1.0.0, Rust-native, no Python) can load an agent purely from YAML and talk to both of this project's real backends: - `spike/agents/writer.yaml` -> Ollama (`gemma4-e4b:latest`), matches `wire_gemma_client` in `src/main.rs`. - `spike/agents/critic.yaml` -> Ollama (`gemma4-e4b:latest`), matches the self-review/quality-guard call in `revise.rs`'s `is_usable()` — same provider as the writer, but its own system prompt and prompt template lifted verbatim from `prompts.toml`'s `[critic]` section. - `spike/agents/judge.yaml` -> `provider: openai-compatible` against the local `llama-server` (Shieldstral), matches `wire_shieldstral`. - All three worked verbatim against this machine's real models/config, no mocking. - `spike/pipeline.yaml` expresses the three-stage generate -> critic -> judge flow (this project's `revise::generate_below_threshold` shape, including the format quality-guard before scoring) as one declarative `pipeline:` block with `spawner.auto_spawn` and `{{ stages. }}` templating, no manual Rust orchestration code. Confirmed working end to end: writer runs, critic judges its format (`yes`/`no`), judge scores it independently — all three stages complete in a single `agent.chat()` call. ## What it doesn't prove (real limitations found) 1. ~~VRAM ceiling~~ **Resolved — not a framework limitation at all.** The initial failure (`cudaMalloc failed: out of memory` from Ollama's `/api/chat`) was from running Shieldstral's `llama-server` at its default `-ngl 999` (full GPU offload) alongside Ollama's own gemma load — both fighting for the same 8GB card. Restarting `llama-server` with `-ngl 0` (CPU-only, same flag this project already documents using for Shieldstral) puts it entirely on CPU, and the full three-stage `pipeline:` (writer -> critic -> judge) then runs cleanly end to end in one process — GPU usage stayed flat at ~6GB (all Ollama) throughout. This is a `llama-server` launch flag, not anything `ai-agents`-specific; `ai-agents` never touches GPU/CPU placement itself, it only talks HTTP to whatever backend is configured. `src/server.rs`'s `ensure_running()` doesn't currently pass `-ngl`, so it would need an `-ngl 0` addition (mirroring `server.toml`) to get the same behavior in the real app. 2. **No logprob-based scoring.** `revise.rs`'s real `score()` function reads token logprobs off Shieldstral's response (see `models::ChatLogprobs`) to get a continuous 0.0-1.0 score, not a yes/no string. `ai-agents`' `Agent::chat()` returns plain text content; there's no exposed hook for raw logprobs in the YAML/builder API surface I found. Reproducing the current scoring behavior would mean dropping to `ai-agents`' lower-level provider access (if any) or keeping rig-core for the judge call and only using `ai-agents` for orchestration/prompt config — a hybrid, not a clean swap. 3. **Critic stage runs but doesn't gate anything in `pipeline:`, and `states:`/`transitions:` doesn't cleanly fix that either.** `spike/agents/critic.yaml` reproduces the self-review prompt from `is_usable()`, and `pipeline:` calls it after the writer — but its `yes`/`no` verdict is just an extra text output; `pipeline:` stages are linear/fire-and-forget, no branching back to retry the writer the way `MAX_GENERATION_RETRIES` does. Tried building the retry loop with `states:`/`transitions:` instead (`spike/state_machine.yaml`, `src/bin/ai_agents_spike_states.rs`): `write` -> `critique` -> (loop to `write` on "no", or advance to `judge` on "yes"), using a `guard:` expression on extracted context. Two real obstacles surfaced, both confirmed against the crate source (`ai-agents-runtime-1.0.0`, `ai-agents-state-1.0.0`) and by running it: - **`delegate:` states have no per-turn input override.** Only `pipeline:`/`concurrent:` stages get an `input:` Jinja template (`ai-agents-state-1.0.0/src/config.rs` `PipelineStageEntry::Config`). A bare `delegate: critic` state just forwards the parent conversation history, with no way to inject the "judge only the format" instruction — in practice the critic just echoed the writer's document back verbatim instead of answering yes/no. Switching the critique/judge states to single-stage `pipeline:` blocks (which do support `input:`) fixed this. - **`extract:` context extractors read the state's incoming `user_message`, not its generated response.** `run_context_extractors_staged` (`ai-agents-runtime-1.0.0/src/runtime.rs:7320`) builds its extraction prompt from `user_message` — the turn's input — never the assistant's (or a delegated/piped agent's) output. So an `extract:` block meant to capture "what the critic just answered" has nothing real to read; confirmed by `RUST_LOG=debug` showing no extraction activity at all around the state transition, and by the `context.usable`-gated transition to `judge` never firing even when the critic's actual answer was `yes`. The machine just stopped after `write` -> `critique` and returned the critic's raw response as `chat()`'s final output — i.e. the loop never proved out. - Separately, each `agent.chat()` call only appeared to advance one state transition (`depth=1` in the logs) before returning, so even with working guards, driving the machine to a `judge` terminal state might require the caller to loop calling `chat()` per hop rather than getting one resolved answer per call the way `pipeline:` does. **Bottom line: reproducing `MAX_GENERATION_RETRIES` declaratively isn't a matter of swapping `pipeline:` for `states:`/`transitions:` — the state-machine primitives here are built for turn-based conversational branching (routing user intent to sub-flows), not for gating on a sub-agent's structured verdict about text it just produced.** That would need either a custom tool/hook that calls back into Rust to inspect stage output and decide the transition, or keeping the retry loop in hand-written Rust (as `revise.rs` already does) and using `ai-agents` only for the linear leg of the flow. ## Verdict The declarative-YAML story checks out for *provider wiring and prompt config* — that part is genuinely config, not code, and matches the CrewAI-style ergonomics from the earlier conversation, and the full two-stage pipeline now runs end to end against this project's real local models (see reproducing steps below). It does **not** cleanly cover this project's actual judge mechanism (logprob scoring), so adopting it wholesale would be a partial rewrite of `revise.rs`'s scoring logic, not a drop-in replacement. Worth revisiting if a future judge model switches to yes/no-only verdicts, or if `ai-agents` grows raw-logprob access. ## Reproducing ``` ollama serve # writer leg (gemma) /home/austin/.local/share/llama.cpp/build/bin/llama-server \ -m /home/austin/ai/Shieldstral-1.0-3B-BF16.gguf --jinja -c 32768 \ --host 127.0.0.1 --port 8000 -ngl 0 # judge leg, CPU-only so it # doesn't fight gemma for VRAM cargo run --bin ai_agents_spike # linear pipeline: writer -> critic -> judge cargo run --bin ai_agents_spike_states # states:/transitions: retry-loop attempt (see limitation #3 above) ```